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Post by travishayes89 on May 22, 2008 21:34:05 GMT -5
I'm thinking that's the average age for the two in the US.
Now for some states though, you have to wait until your 17 or even 18 to get your license. Learner's permits usually have a "year and a day" requirement for minors as well.
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Post by rhece6 on May 23, 2008 22:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by travishayes89 on May 23, 2008 23:18:26 GMT -5
Well, I'm one of the few I know who has decided to wait until after I get out of school to get my license. Not that I didn't want it earlier, I just felt like I didn't want the added stresses of stuff like insurance added on to school.
But most people when they get their license at 16, they just primarily like to show off with it, also, due to the really skewed driving stats, insurance rates for teenagers in the US are a little on the high side.
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Post by rhece6 on May 24, 2008 17:42:48 GMT -5
Yeah fair enough. Plus it's not just insurance, it's also the cost of maintaining your car and costs to keep it on the road. It would add up heavily for a teenager, that's if your the one paying it of course.
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Post by travishayes89 on May 25, 2008 19:26:28 GMT -5
Yeah, let me see all the costs that go into keeping a car on the road (keep in mind all these are calculated on US rates, it may be different for other countries):
Insurance = varies (expensive) = required by law in many states. Tires = around $100 = required by design Brakes/Oil/other miscellaneous items = varies cheap -> expensive = required Car payment = even on used and even for a $3,000 on the side of the road deal, it's expensive. Gas = might as well go public transportation here
What most teens get paid:
Around $7 - $8 an hour, if lucky. Most of the time you start out at minimum wage (which is currently about $6/hr, I think) and barely make $100 a month due to school and child labor laws that affect the amount of time minors can work.
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Post by acdcUSSR on May 25, 2008 22:08:46 GMT -5
I make $330 a month and I work no more than 5-6 hours a week. Serious. No joke. My friend makes about $80 a week. My brother makes about $600 a month.
Hayes, you can just say you didn't have money to pay for that shit to get a car til you were 18 lol. just fuckin with ya. i thought you said earlier it was cause your state had weird laws and you had to either get it at 16 or wait til you were 18?
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Post by travishayes89 on May 26, 2008 12:05:24 GMT -5
No, my state has a fucked up law (known as Joshua's Law) that requires all 16 year olds to take a driver's ed course and still have on the road experience.
But my state is also a state that makes juniors take a graduation test and still have required courses senior year. In my opinion, the graduation tests need to be done away with, since they have been known to make standardized tests intentionally harder from year to year.
Also, I think our state has is one of those "at will" states, and I've heard that places like McDonald's aren't hiring as many teenagers now due to teens not being able to do much more than operate a cash register or clean tables.
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Post by acdcUSSR on May 27, 2008 7:30:19 GMT -5
We have to take ISTEP (must pass to graduate) during our sophomore year.
At will? What the crap does that mean? A company never has to hire anyone. You never HAVE to work anywhere.
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Post by travishayes89 on May 27, 2008 10:36:13 GMT -5
Basically "at will" means the employer can call you into the boss's office, set you down for a 30-minute meeting with him, and then tell you that security has packed your stuff and will escort you out.
Or it could mean that the employer can just walk up to you and say "You're fired," and you must leave that day.
It also means that if you are displeased enough with the way the employer is, you don't have to give "2 weeks notice".
But ISTEP, what does that stand for. Doesn't even sound good (well, neither does GHSGT or CRCT). But get this, this year, Georgia's DOE decided to make the math portion of the 8th grade CRCT (a test that is required to "graduate" from middle school) intentionally harder this year, a decision that led to a lot more 8th graders failing. Now why would you even need a test for 8th grade math. You don't even have functions or anything like that yet, the math is still overly basic and they want to test on it?
I think that standardized tests are in logic, flawed. They expect everyone in a state as big as Georgia to receive the same quality of education when some friends of mine from 8th grade in the next county over have already graduated from high school (as in, cermony) while this county hasn't even started grad. practice. Not to mention my school does a senior walk, where the seniors get to walk through the halls as a group to "say goodbye." Well, there was a group of people doing the most annoying rap* involving "oh eight," I was thinking "Shut the hell up!"
*That's probably an understatement
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Post by acdcUSSR on May 27, 2008 12:24:54 GMT -5
Indiana Statewide Testing for Educational Progress-Plus = ISTEP+
We take them from 3rd grade up til 10th. You must pass the 10th grade one to graduate, or you can complete like a buncha other stuff if you're too dumb to pass it. And you get about 8 or 9 chances to retake it too.
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Post by travishayes89 on May 27, 2008 18:18:25 GMT -5
Weird, they only give juniors here about 4 chances with the GHSGT.
Also, if you are transferring in, and are a senior, and your from out of state, your fucked. You have to take them all at one time, hope you pass them (which you should actually) and still hope that if you are missing any classes, that you can make them up within a semester.
I actually know a girl from Florida who's a senior, but she transferred into the school where I go (graduation is Friday), and had to take the GHSGT (GA High School Grad. Test) (she passed), but was missing a class or something, and isn't graduating with the other seniors because of that.
Last time I checked, Florida (like most states) is above Georgia in test scores...so for someone to be held back like that is dumb.
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Post by rhece6 on May 28, 2008 6:32:55 GMT -5
Man thats crap. Unlucky for her. Graduation is a big thing for anyone anywhere. You shouldn't be punished for things which are way out of your control.
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Post by travishayes89 on May 28, 2008 12:13:07 GMT -5
I think that the federal government here in the US needs to find a better way of regulating education than "No Child Left Behind"
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Post by mikehunt1075 on May 30, 2008 0:32:18 GMT -5
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