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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 10, 2007 20:49:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but not as many useless ones as there are now.
How many labels were there then and now?
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Post by StiffUpperAngus on Dec 11, 2007 0:32:57 GMT -5
But that still has nothing to do with the ramones impact on music, music only got shittier from there actually. They probaly inspired so many punk bands, which inspired shitter ones, which inspired shitty alternative and screamo bands, which branched out into these shitty sub genres
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 11, 2007 0:38:09 GMT -5
Yeah, but the Ramones are the example as to how a band should operate. Tour, don't worry about recording, sure, albums are good, but when you are touring, that's the way to get your name out there. It seems like now bands are able to release their first album, sit on their ass for 12 months, and then complain that tickets are selling poorly and record sales aren't that hot either. The Ramones didn't achieve commerical success, but they tried.
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daclarob
Malcolm Young
nuff said
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Post by daclarob on Dec 11, 2007 7:47:24 GMT -5
aint worth trying to put your point across travis. none so blind as those that wont see,so the saying goes, bottom line Ramones were top of their game, oh yeh whatever happened to that respect you had for "any" musicians who were actuallly making music regardless of whatever genre SUA? seem to recall reading that in a previous post of yours.
ps, what meaning am i exactly looking for in Syd Barrett era Floyd? and do I need to up my acid ontake to feeel the groove Maaaan!!!
Overated psychadelic shite, you want soundscapes? ozric tentacles, devin townsend, fuck me the greatful dead the list is endless, the world dont revolve round fucking comfotably numb
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daclarob
Malcolm Young
nuff said
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Post by daclarob on Dec 11, 2007 8:36:32 GMT -5
aint worth trying to put your point across travis. none so blind as those that wont see,so the saying goes, bottom line Ramones were top of their game, oh yeh whatever happened to that respect you had for "any" musicians who were actually making music regardless of whatever genre SUA? seem to recall reading that in a previous post of yours. ps, what meaning am i exactly looking for in Syd Barrett era Floyd? and do I need to up my acid ontake to feeel the groove Maaaan!!! Overated psychadelic shite, you want soundscapes? ozric tentacles, devin townsend, the greatful dead, fuck me the list is endless, the world dont revolve round fucking comfortably numb in my humble opinion that is, currently listening to Blackmores Night, Wagner and the White stripes,with some Zeppelin for good measure, now theres diversity for you
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Post by IdleAl on Dec 11, 2007 17:57:25 GMT -5
My favourite band....ever! I saw them live about 15 times, and was lucky enough to meet & drink a beer or 6 with Dee Dee when he toured solo in 1994. Nothing could beat the excitement at a Ramones gig when the lights went down & the theme for the Good the Bad and the Ugly started through the pa....and the crowd started to chant....Hey Ho, Let's Go. Marvelous band captain, just marvelous!!!!!
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 11, 2007 18:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah, but I thought Metallica used a "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly" theme known as "The Ecstacy Of Gold."
I guess that just puts The Ramones in a different class then.
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Post by StiffUpperAngus on Dec 11, 2007 19:48:31 GMT -5
aint worth trying to put your point across travis. none so blind as those that wont see,so the saying goes, bottom line Ramones were top of their game, oh yeh whatever happened to that respect you had for "any" musicians who were actuallly making music regardless of whatever genre SUA? seem to recall reading that in a previous post of yours. ps, what meaning am i exactly looking for in Syd Barrett era Floyd? and do I need to up my acid ontake to feeel the groove Maaaan!!! Overated psychadelic shite, you want soundscapes? ozric tentacles, devin townsend, fuck me the greatful dead the list is endless, the world dont revolve round fucking comfotably numb I believe youve taken my point a bit wrong, i never said anything about disliking the Ramones, nor did i say i dont respect them as musicians at all, i enjoy them lol. I was just refuting hayes statement about music needs to be all simple. I hate Syd Barret era floyd personally, and when i said depth and meaning, i wasnt referring to floyd, phycadelic, mind altering or life changing. I was referring to songs with emotion, story telling etc. ala Dylan, Springsteen etc. So basically my point was i didnt agree with travis' point that music should just be simple
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 11, 2007 20:05:38 GMT -5
I didn't say that music with meaning didn't have to exist either. I just like to listen to basic stuff sometimes as a way of release.
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Post by StiffUpperAngus on Dec 11, 2007 21:19:09 GMT -5
i think were all kinda missing each others points, whatever its lost. to each his own i guess
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 12, 2007 20:04:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but another thing to add to my "basic" point.
The Ramones seemed to use minimal overdubs (nothing more than the guitar playing recording additional licks, and even Jimmy Page did that). But the only thing that I've noticed on the vocals is just maybe a bit of double-tracking. Bands these days overdub the vocals so much that they sound shitty.
That's really what I wanted to try and say.
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Post by StiffUpperAngus on Dec 12, 2007 22:58:08 GMT -5
lol bands these days just sound shitty, its not the overdub, they would sound worse without it
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 12, 2007 23:24:07 GMT -5
Well, I know of one song (ok, two songs) that wouldn't exist in their present form without overdubs Hinder - Born To Be Wild (Steppenwolf cover)Notice the unusual 'shhh...' inhaling sound after every verse line. Dubbed. Slipknot - Before I ForgetNotice the 'duet' feel, but it's with one singer. I can understand using the best sounding vocal take, but when you use the best word, it gets crazy. I really, really think that more of the older recording engineers need to lecture modern engineers on how to properly record and mix and master. Also, same applies to lecturing modern bands. Since digital is supposed to sound better, but only sounds worse due to the loudness war. Nickelback - Rockstar (uncensored)My favorite song from the modern era of rock (ok, one of my favorites), perfect in every way I can think of. Nickelback parody - PopstarAnd this one is just perfect as well...it describes Britney/Paris/Christina pefectly.
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Post by StiffUpperAngus on Dec 13, 2007 0:08:13 GMT -5
how does an inhaling sound mean its dubbed? i saw hinder open for aerosmith, and i have to say they were actually good
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Post by travishayes89 on Dec 13, 2007 0:11:58 GMT -5
Well, I think they are good too, but the sound itself sounds dubbed because it's hit everytime. (Listen to it with earplugs/headphones and you'll hear it)
Perhaps my favorite song of theirs (out of the ones I've heard, which is currently limited) is Get Stoned's piano verison. Reminds me a lot of the version of You're Crazy from GNR Lies.
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